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yanna
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 Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: Good old Sexual Discrimination |
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My room mate is about to finish a Criminal Justice department and she's hired in a bank, as a security guard, while taking this course in the same time. She's always complaining about her men colleagues, they always tease her for being too "delicate and fragile" for this job. But as far as I know, there has been no incident while she was working, on the contrary 
So how come men think they are better than women when it comes to some specific jobs? |
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julian
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Oh, you've tounched the right spot there, yanna... I'm joking, but I must say you have awoken the feminist in me. Because I am a feminist! I have a biiiig problem with men who think they are better than women, especially in domains like medicine, army, law and some others like these.
I take my revenge when leading the practice class of the medical school in my city. I have some groups of students which must do their time in hospital, observing all kind of special cases. Half of the boys get sick after the first day, while the girls prove very strong and competent. Haha!
I have a saying: if men were to decide our faith, we would have remained home, stuck to the cook, taking care of dozens of babies )
That's not the case with women today, or at least I have observed some progress.
About your friend or any other woman working in a field where men are kings, just stick true to yourself and to your job. Why worry about what people say? |
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Katja144
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I'm wondering if she might not be able to complain to her supervisor...I wouldn't call it sexual harassment per se, but they ARE making comments about her and her ability to do the job because of her sex and her physical stature.
Not sure if that would make her situation any better, though. Very possibly worse. Is there any way she can dig right back into them? |
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lilo
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If the teasing takes place constantly and if any of her actions are being discussed upon and called "wrong" just because she's a woman, we're dealing with sexual discrimination. If teasing implies "dirty" (I wouldn't call the dirty though...inappropriate) words, invitations, face mimics and body gestures, we're dealing with sexual harrassment and the latter is taken care quite easily.
The problem with sexual discrimination depends on each country. I'm referring to the way things can be solved. In my country a complaint on the base of sexual discrimination is regarded as being suspicious. I mean the woman complaining is seen as having another problem. Let's say we're quite back from this point of view.
I think your colleague/room mate should keep a strong attitude and show she's not confortable with their attitude. In this way she will have a support for her eventual complaint. |
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Randy
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Good old Sexual Discrimination |
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quote="yanna"
So how come men think they are better than women when it comes to some specific jobs?
For the same reason "executive assistants" are almost always, always, always a female. What? Like a man can't do that? Even women executives rarely hire anyone other than a female to be an "executive assistant."
For the same reason you will almost never, ever see women laying ductile iron pipe in a muddy ditch at a construction sight. Oh, that's right: Men are "better suited" for really dirty jobs requiring "heavy lifting."
For the same reason most women prefer a male OBGYN instead of female.
We all discriminate and have our preconceived notions of who's better to do what and why.
She's working with a couple of bone-head "typical" males who, regrettably, still represent most men. What she outta do is take some martial art classes then beat the bloody hell out of one 'em! Then, of course, the guys would simply accuse her of being, well, "less" than "feminine."
She will have the "last laugh," of course, when she moves on and those cretins are still working as security guards! |
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whwatson3
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Good old Sexual Discrimination |
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| yanna wrote: | My room mate is about to finish a Criminal Justice department and she's hired in a bank, as a security guard, while taking this course in the same time. She's always complaining about her men colleagues, they always tease her for being too "delicate and fragile" for this job. But as far as I know, there has been no incident while she was working, on the contrary
So how come men think they are better than women when it comes to some specific jobs? |
Here is a man's point of view. These men making the comments, could very well just be joking, and not mean anything by it. I say that, because I was accused of sexual harrasment, and I damn sure didn't have any sexual intentions!!!! Perhaps these men are being cluelessly insensitive, like I was cluelessly trampling a colleague's personal boundaries.... It really does happen.
Now, if they are serious, you do have to keep in mind that there are super duper strong criminal's out there that could easily overpower a female security guard, unless of course she has a gun, which is doubtful. SHe could be very skilled at defending herself, (who knows, maybe she can kick my ass...) and also be an incredibly intelliigent woman, but just look at the news.
A 50 year old female prison guard was overpowered by a murderer who used to play college football... and the murderer escaped the prison for a brief period of time before being apprehended. I wouldn't think a 50 year old of either sex would be qualifed to handle such a dangerous criminal, let alone a 5'2" woman that weigh maybe 120 to his 220 pounds. There is some level of reality that has to be accepted. It doesn't make that woman stupid, silly, or any other negative generalization, but it does make her the wrong person to escort such a dangerous man. Hell, I stand at 5'4", and I don't think even I, as a man, would be qualified to do that. He would have stomped me to the ground and escaped, just like he did with her.
I dunno. Its a sensitive issue, and its hard to say much of anything without offending someone. But they should probably not be making such jokes. Management did hire her for a reason, and it may not be because of her strength, but perhaps her ability to evaluate tough situations instead.
Just my opinion. Let me know what you think! |
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dorothea
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Good old Sexual Discrimination |
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Here is a man's point of view. These men making the comments, could very well just be joking, and not mean anything by it. I say that, because I was accused of sexual harrasment, and I damn sure didn't have any sexual intentions!!!! Perhaps these men are being cluelessly insensitive, like I was cluelessly trampling a colleague's personal boundaries.... It really does happen.
Now, if they are serious, you do have to keep in mind that there are super duper strong criminal's out there that could easily overpower a female security guard, unless of course she has a gun, which is doubtful. SHe could be very skilled at defending herself, (who knows, maybe she can kick my ass...) and also be an incredibly intelligent woman, but just look at the news.
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You're 50% right Not more, maybe less 
Ok....First, nowadays, sexual harassment has touched boundaries beyond limits, meaning being mean to a woman (from the part of a man...) is interpreted as his response to a possible refuse (of a sexual proposal, of course) from the part of that woman. I said INTERPRETED.
From my point of view, the US was the pioneer in this matter and the US also has brought "mutations" to it as well. This is why everything, every gesture is interpreted as sexual harassment (when the relationship is between a female worker and a male worker). It's the fastest, easiest, most effective excuse )
I'm not blaming women, I'm not defending them entirely. Like everything else, this has become a weapon as well. But you can't blame them entirely, right?
Also...men are pigs. Generally...they even recognize it themselves. Yet, one cannot blame them either
And you were accused of sexual harassment because you have violated her space in one way or another. |
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