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Pauloz
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| irnbrumad wrote: | Hi,
Thanks for the reply pauloz, much appreciated.
As for H.R though, I'm still finding it difficult to understand how or why they would overlook the initial dismissal. Afterall, it is the same company. Isn't there usually a timeframe before I can reapply to the same company?
I'm afraid that as soon as I tell them what happened they will say no.
What is the best thing to say to the all important question, "so why did u leave ur last role"?
I have a rough idea as to what to say but some guidance around this also would be welcome.
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Time frame, not necessarily. Some employers set rules, some don't. If they don't have a policy, there's no problem. (Doesn't mean they might not invent an excuse, of course, but they could do that anyway.)
They may just be inefficient, which would be another possibility. Maybe the separate divisions don't interact much.
That question has to be answered honestly. You'd be in trouble if you didn't. However, you do have this appeal to work with. The story remains that you have a dispute, and they can't really pre judge that, or do much about it.
I'd stick to basics, don't say any more than necessary. |
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irnbrumad
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:56 pm Post subject: thanks |
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Hi Pauloz,
Thanks again for your prompt reply. I have found it very helpful. Gives me alot of confidence going into this interview knowing that there are so many possibilities apart from HR not knowing wbat happened.
I will be 100% honest, thats for sure. I couldnt live with a lie and to be honest, i'd probably get dismissed again if they found out.
I'll go in saying that, this is what happened, this is why I am appealing and thats that. It also helps that I was the top performer in the previous decision and that my mistake was simply a lapse in concentration. (believe me when I say that my mistake was extremely minimal in terms of impact, and that the mistake I made had also been amended by my prompt action, but hey, the company saw it as black and white)
So i think with regards to explaining my situation, I have alot on my side but will keep this as direct and minimal as possible.
But thanks again for your help, if there is anything else you'd like to add then please feel free to do so.
Thanks
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irnbrumad
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hi Pauloz,
thanks for the feedback first of all folks,
just one last thing, sorry to be a pest.
If the employer doesnt ask me the question "why i left", should i still tell them? im guessing that if im notasked the question then they already know whats been going on in the past??
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Pauloz
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| irnbrumad wrote: | hi Pauloz,
thanks for the feedback first of all folks,
just one last thing, sorry to be a pest.
If the employer doesnt ask me the question "why i left", should i still tell them? im guessing that if im notasked the question then they already know whats been going on in the past??
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No problem irnbrumad, I've been in advisory for decades, love the work.
If they don't ask, say nothing. They should be able to deal with checking their own employment records. They should know, for sure, it's not like it's some sort of secret. It's their responsibility to cover all angles.
This is their problem, really. You're under no obligation to answer any questions they don't ask, or provide information they haven't requested.
Strictly speaking, your dispute is with the other division, and this new division, or any other third party, doesn't have any right to interfere in your dispute. Any appeal is supposed to be dealt with on merit, and you'd be within your rights to complain, if you felt that this new job was being affected by an extraneous matter. You're entitled to apply for the job, unless someone can show a good, legal, reason why you aren't.
This is a tricky technical point, but that's the basic situation, if anyone wants to do things according to the rules as I understand them. They can't use the dispute against you, because it hasn't been decided. I think you're covered in all directions, at this point.
That's not to say they won't cut corners, if they want to. In this situation, if they don't want to hire people, the usual approach is to come up with something else as a reason. But in terms of the facts of the case, you're OK at this point, as far as I can tell. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Bad Reference Ending my career!! |
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Every dark night is followed by a bright sunny day. So, patience and attention is required and things will be fruitful in near future. you should come out from this pessimistic state and should now concentrate on increasing your qualifications.
hard work is another key factor.there is not a single person in the world who doesnt get fruits of his/her deeds.so you will also be not left.just work hard and smart and u will see that you will be paid with a good result!! TC
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Hi pauloz,
Had the phone interview. They didn't ask about previous job at all. Just a few questions around the job and that was it.
I'm hoping I now get called for the face to face. Any tips on that?
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Pauloz
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| irnbrumad wrote: | Hi pauloz,
Had the phone interview. They didn't ask about previous job at all. Just a few questions around the job and that was it.
I'm hoping I now get called for the face to face. Any tips on that?
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Irnbrumad
I think "Hmmmm" about covers the lack of mention. They had the chance to check it out, they could have done some homework.
The face to face might yet have a question about that, but they aren't really in a position to do anything in relation to a dispute. Legally, unless there's some weird unknown regulation somewhere, they should stick to the Hands Off motif.
No guarantees, obviously, but so far it looks like they know the way this sort of thing is supposed to work. I'd take the careful approach, avoid the topic unless they bring it up.
If anyone does mention it, you can truthfully say "It's a dispute, I can't really add much information to what you have there. All I can say is that I'm disputing the situation because I truly believe I have a good case."
That's not really saying much, just reminding them that there's a formal legal process involved, and it's nothing to do with them. Most people would take the hint, and drop the subject. |
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