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Albright Newbie

Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 3 Career Advice: +0/-0

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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:59 am Post subject: Downsized after short employment term… |
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| After twelve productive working days, my company, citing financial problems, laid me off; as I was the most recent hire, I was the first fire. My supervisor said he'd give a me a positive referral, but should I even bother putting it on my résumé? The short term I was employed there won't look very good if I can't also write the reason for it; should I put that in there too? |
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CoachMary New User

Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 12 Career Advice: +0/-0 Location: Atlantic Beach, NC

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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: Short term job |
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| I've had clients in your position and I always recommend that if you worked less than the usual probationary period for a job, don't include it on your resume. Just as you pointed out, it could look bad and cause you to have to get into unnecessary explanations in an interview (if you got as far as an interview). If an employee didn't make it out of the first 30-day or "let's see if we're gonna like each other" period, then I don't see it as necessary. Work history on a resume is actual "work history" and with only a handful of days, you can't really qualify that as history. Hope this helps. Good luck. |
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Katja144 Expert

Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 176 Career Advice: +2/-0

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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Also, I'm guessing it's possible that they may not count you themselves. When I started my job, I was told that if it ended before my first 30 days, I wouldn't be on the books (meaning if I quit or was fired, I wouldn't have to put it down--very handy). Now, I don't know if that would mean that if I had left after a couple weeks and put it down anyway, if anyone calling for a reference would be told "she never worked here" (hence making me look like a liar), but, technicalities, y'know.
Personally I don't think you need to put it down; it was for such a short period that it wouldn't constitute that big of a gap anyway. If they ask you about the gap at an interview, then you can trot it out if you like, but you're right, if you just put it on your resume, they won't know why you left. |
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Albright Newbie

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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Well, considering this was my only span of employment since the previous job, which ended in January, "the gap" is already pretty spacious…
I was told by my supervisor, however, that he would give me a good referral, so I'm assuming my existence wouldn't be denied. |
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CoachMary New User

Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 12 Career Advice: +0/-0 Location: Atlantic Beach, NC

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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: sticky situation |
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| What kind of a reference can someone give you that barely knew you? By the way, if the company is suffering financial difficulties, what's to say that supervisor is even going to be around to give a reference. Don't have a great feeling about this. I think it will do you more harm than good to list it. There are other ways to get around a gap but we'd have to know more -- like how long has it been since you graduated from college? Have you been doing any "unpaid work" during your gap - looking after sick relatives, helping someone start a business, or saving the world? What is the real reason for the gap? Are you in the middle of a career-change which could be a reason for a few months gap? I'd also ask if you have a good reference from your previous job? A 3-6 month gap may or may not get an employer's attention-- less likely if you have other related work history. It's not unusual for people to have that size gap in a resume for a multitude of reasons. Try explaining 3-5 years. I had a client who quit a great job to start a pet-sitting sideline to take care of sick parents for several years and we actually framed that out on her resume, which worked fine. I've had a mother re-entering the workforce after years of raising kids and we plopped that into the resume as explanation because there was such a gap. However, her volunteer positions in the community during that time showed strength in leadership, and we pulled that up and used it to her advantage. Obviously, in cases like this, you use what you got -- but you put a marketing twist to it. I'm not sure I'd put in you in a category of needing to explain yourself at this point. If you've got enough work-related history, just leave the 12-day gig alone. Don't mention it on the resume and if asked about the gap, indicate that, actually, during that time, you were employed briefly by a company that suffered financial strain and laid off a lot of people. |
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Albright Newbie

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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:17 am Post subject: Re: sticky situation |
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| CoachMary wrote: | | What kind of a reference can someone give you that barely knew you? |
A fair enough question, but in my own defense, as I said, the time I spent there was rather productive. It was web site programming, stuff I already know how to do quite well; my supervisor would tell me what he wanted the site to do, and I would tear through the code and make it happen. There wasn't much of a "training period" per se; I got a lot done during the eleven-and-two-thirds working days I spent there.
| Quote: | | By the way, if the company is suffering financial difficulties, what's to say that supervisor is even going to be around to give a reference. |
Also a fair question. I'm assuming he'll still be there, though, since developing a web site for the traditionally fax-based business (providing information on mutual funds) will be the future for the company if it is to survive. The company would be dooming itself to death by obsolescence if they cut the entire department.
| Quote: | | There are other ways to get around a gap but we'd have to know more -- like how long has it been since you graduated from college? |
I graduated in 2004 with an English degree, something I now regard as a huge mistake; I've given up on trying to find a job for which such a degree is useful. I did spend a year in Japan (roughly April 2005 through April 2006) teaching English, but other than that…
| Quote: | | Have you been doing any "unpaid work" during your gap - looking after sick relatives, helping someone start a business, or saving the world? |
Yes, actually; I was developing web sites. In fact, the former supervisor told me that he was impressed by one of those sites enough that it tilted the favor toward me to be hired for the position. I have those sites listed in the "Skills & Achievements" section of the résumé; do you think they should be displayed more prominently?
| Quote: | | What is the real reason for the gap? Are you in the middle of a career-change which could be a reason for a few months gap? |
I left the prior job back in January because the only thing worse than the pay was the morale, and I couldn't see either of those improving to a satisfactory level in the near future. I could go in to more detail if you'd like, but suffice it to say that I just wasn't happy there, and I wasn't making enough to even move out of my parents' house (again). I had to get out and find something that would actually end up being sustainable for me, but with my worthless degree and this somewhat job-depressed area, that ended up being easier said than done.
| Quote: | | I'd also ask if you have a good reference from your previous job? |
To tell the truth, I'm not sure. I thought that I had left on good terms with the boss, but talks with some former co-workers revealed that that may not have been the case as far as he was concerned…
| Quote: | | If you've got enough work-related history, just leave the 12-day gig alone. Don't mention it on the resume and if asked about the gap, indicate that, actually, during that time, you were employed briefly by a company that suffered financial strain and laid off a lot of people. |
That sounds practical to me. There's still the time between that job and the prior one to account for, though… Though, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying I should play up the "volunteer" web sites I developed during that time, correct? |
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CoachMary New User

Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 12 Career Advice: +0/-0 Location: Atlantic Beach, NC

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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: Better info |
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| Much clearer now. Redraft playing up unpaid work but don't label it as volunteer or unpaid. If you did it as a "self employed person" then you did that work "pro bono" or something, but as long as you actually engaged in doing it for a company or non profit, it was work that you can use to fill out the gap spots. You need two good references to list on the bottom of your resume -- Name, Title, Company and phone # (make sure the phone # is good and make sure the two people know that you are listing them). You can list the former supervisor -- without having to list the job. Your call on that -- but I still wouldn't list it. Even if your explanation for the getting axed after 12 days is legitimate, you can't explain it well-enough on a resume. The people who are getting the resume don't know you and might not believe you. You've got to get the interview before you can explain anything. My offer stands -- if you want to redraft, streamline it, send it to me in Microsoft word and I'll take a look at it in format. |
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